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Noam Chomsky on Family Separation & the U.S. Roots of Today’s Refugee Crisis

Noam Chomsky on Family Separation & the U.S. Roots of Today’s Refugee Crisis

Posted on August 13, 2019


AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org,
The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman. Federal officials say 711 children remain
separated from their parents, despite Thursday’s court-imposed deadline for the Trump administration
to reunite all migrate children separated from their parents by immigration officials
at the border. More than 400 of the children have parents
who have already been deported from the United States. Well, on Thursday, I spoke with world-renowned
political dissident, author and linguist Noam Chomsky. He is a laureate professor in the Department
of Linguistics at the University of Arizona and professor emeritus at Massachusetts Institute
of Technology, where he taught for more than 50 years. His recent books include Global Discontents:
Conversations on the Rising Threats to Democracy and Requiem for the American Dream: The 10
Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. He joined us from Tucson, Arizona, and I began
by asking Noam Chomsky about the Trump administration’s family separation policy. NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, it’s a major scandal,
of course, and properly condemned throughout the world. Taking children away from their parents, sending
them off somewhere, losing track of them, you know, it’s hard to think of a more brutal
and sadistic policy. Here in Tucson, there’s a lot of—there’s
a good deal of activism concerned with immigrants. There are groups that set up camps in the
desert to try to help people fleeing. And, of course, it’s a very live issue. It’s not very far from the border. In fact, when I give talks here, I often refer
to the area as “occupied Mexico,” which actually is a good designation. But the immigration policy altogether is a
grotesque moral scandal here, and in Europe, I should say. AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn to President Trump
speaking earlier this month. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I have a solution:
Tell people not to come to our country illegally. That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally. AMY GOODMAN: That’s President Trump. We were on the border recently in Brownsville,
going back and forth over the bridge to Matamoros, Mexico. We saw a Guatemalan mother with her child,
a Guatemalan father with his child. The Guatemalan mother had been at the legal
port of entry at the bridge for days, on two different bridges, told that America is full,
told this by the U.S. government. The question is: Who’s being legal? Who’s being illegal? What about what the U.S. is doing and where
these migrants are desperately fleeing from—Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador? If you can talk about the history of U.S.
involvement in these countries and what President Trump is saying—do it legally? NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, actually, these people
are fleeing from the wreckage and horrors of U.S. policies. So, take Guatemala. No need to go through the whole history, but
back in 1954, the U.S. intervened, sponsored a military coup, overthrew a mildly reformist
elected government. Since then, the country has been a complete
horror story—hundreds of thousands of people killed, all kinds of atrocities, every imaginable
sort of torture. It peaked in the 1980s under Reagan. In fact, some of the places where people are
fleeing from, the Mayan areas, there was literal genocide going on, carried out by the man
who Reagan called a stellar exponent of democracy, a really good guy. When Congress imposed some limits on direct
U.S. military aid to this—to Ríos Montt, the person who was—general who was implementing
the genocidal attacks, Reagan set up an international terrorist network. The U.S. does not hire terrorists, it hires
terror states—it’s much more effective—so, Taiwan, Israel, Argentina—as long as it
was under the rule of the neo-Nazi generals. Unfortunately, they were overthrown. They had the good news, Argentina. The people are still fleeing from the destruction
there. It’s been a horror story ever since. Same with El Salvador, where about 70,000
people were killed during the 1980s, almost all by the security forces, armed, trained,
directed by the United States. Again, horror story since. In Honduras, which not long ago had the plurality
of refugees, the refugee flow started to peak after a military coup threw out the elected
government, the Zelaya government, condemned by the entire hemisphere and the world, with
the usual exception of President Obama. Hillary Clinton refused to call it a military
coup, because that would have meant terminating military aid to the junta, which the U.S.
continued to do. There had always been a severe repression
and atrocities. They mounted sharply. Honduras became maybe the homicide capital
of the world, and refugees started fleeing. There were so-called elections, which were
mocked by almost everyone except the United States. It continues. You’ll notice there’s one—there’s
two countries in the region from which there haven’t been refugee flows. One is Costa Rica, which happens to be the
one country that sort of functions, and not by accident, the one country that the United
States has not—in which the United States does not intervene militarily to overthrow
the government and run a military regime. The other is Nicaragua, which differed, which
also suffered severely in the 1980s from Reagan’s assaults. But Nicaragua was unlike the other countries
of the region: It had an army to defend it. In the other countries, the army were the
terrorists. In Nicaragua, the army could, to some extent,
defend the population from Reagan’s terrorist forces. And though there’s plenty of problems in
Nicaragua, it hasn’t been the source of refugee flow. So, essentially, what President Trump is saying
is, we’ll destroy your countries, slaughter you, impose brutal regimes, but if you try
to get out, you’re not going to come here, because America is full.

78 thoughts on “Noam Chomsky on Family Separation & the U.S. Roots of Today’s Refugee Crisis”

  1. Nah!!Hey!HEY,hooray! James says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:40 pm

    Gmornng folks.
    Gmornng Emmy GOODMAN:democracy NOW, I stand for all,equal rights FOR all.

    Reply
  2. Nah!!Hey!HEY,hooray! James says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    Tell to people not to come to our country, this is the executive leader's, speech, coming from his HEART "😟😨

    Reply
  3. James Graham says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:43 pm

    I've seen more life in a funeral parlour.

    Reply
  4. Payhole Everdouche says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Yes, yes, yes, Mr. Nome Chimpsky, we already know.
    Modern America is much like Nazi Germany. If it ain't like Nazi Germany, then it ain't Bad Enough for you leave it….permanently.

    Reply
  5. lukus johnson says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:50 pm

    My man ✊

    Reply
  6. VeganHitWoman says:
    July 27, 2018 at 3:51 pm

    NAOM!!! Excellent interview

    Reply
  7. allyPOUM says:
    July 27, 2018 at 4:04 pm

    Chomsky has been telling it straight for many decades. Long may he continue.

    Reply
  8. tubester4567 says:
    July 27, 2018 at 4:05 pm

    Chomsky always blames the US/west for every problem in the world. I dont find his views particularly balanced or honest.
    More than half of all illegals are from Mexico, a stable Latin American country, I dont see how the US is responsible for them.

    Reply
  9. Me Me says:
    July 27, 2018 at 4:08 pm

    Mexico is occupied mesoamerica, occupied by Spaniard hybrids STFU ok we don't call the midwest or quebec occupied france, you horror story

    Reply
  10. Blog of The W3st says:
    July 27, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    4:44 Neo-nazis hired Israel?

    Reply
  11. CHAS1422 says:
    July 27, 2018 at 4:57 pm

    In the US the border crossers are Honduran, Costa Rican, Mexican, El Salvadoran, etc…In ancient Rome it was the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Alamanni, the Burgundians, the Franks and the Vandals. In winter 406 CE the Rhine froze over and the border was melted and flooded. 4 years later the Visigoths sacked Rome. Then came the Vandals who sacked Rome. Then the Ostrogoths deposed the last emperor in the west and Rome became a fading memory. Demographic shifts are like glaciers. We cannot see the changes on a day-to-day basis, but over time, they wear down mountains.

    Reply
  12. Ehsan Khaibar says:
    July 27, 2018 at 5:11 pm

    Great interview, very informative, yeah real news, …
    He is one of the greatest of course, … yep!

    Reply
  13. Daniel Ortega says:
    July 27, 2018 at 5:15 pm

    Give this guy a nobel prize already

    Reply
  14. Mike likes says:
    July 27, 2018 at 5:40 pm

    Unite them all in Mexico – deport them all.

    Reply
  15. Jeremiah Nihilo says:
    July 27, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    So happy to see Noam .Thanks guys 🙂

    Reply
  16. mebbob101 says:
    July 27, 2018 at 6:09 pm

    Noam Chomsky: "Negative, negative, clam verbal attack, personal attack, name drop of republican <fill in name here>… What a pos.

    Reply
  17. Steven William Bayless Parks says:
    July 27, 2018 at 7:24 pm

    Latin America is ruled by an oligarchy that resists all change. The rich are exquisitely idle and sophisticated and the masses can barely get by.

    Reply
  18. Juan Martinez says:
    July 27, 2018 at 7:44 pm

    They probably are blackmarketing the children worldwide to pedo groups of the terrible followers of the talmud

    Reply
  19. Twisted Titan says:
    July 27, 2018 at 7:48 pm

    Follow the rules and your family will stay together.

    Do what others tell you and suffer the consequences for lack of personal responsibility.

    Simple.

    Reply
  20. PlayerSkillFTW says:
    July 27, 2018 at 7:51 pm

    "Occupied Mexico", lmfao. Love it. You should see the look on Trump supporter's faces whenever you mention that Arizona, Texas, California, Utah, Nevada, and New Mexico used to belong to Mexico, and how we basically stole it from them.

    Reply
  21. NPC-3PO says:
    July 27, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    2:43 "America is full".

    Yeah. Full of shît. Just like Trump.

    Reply
  22. VictoryOfThePeople says:
    July 27, 2018 at 9:21 pm

    Trump is absolutely disgusting. He wouldn’t understand desperation if it punched him in the face. I hope he gets to experience it before his time on earth ends.

    Reply
  23. Rafael Pena says:
    July 27, 2018 at 9:28 pm

    Noam Chomsky..brilliant! So much in SO lil' word's

    Reply
  24. Jmriccitelli says:
    July 28, 2018 at 12:09 am

    CIA drug cartels is the problem

    Reply
  25. 3281Anonymous says:
    July 28, 2018 at 12:38 am

    Coming to the US without papers should be like risking a parking ticket. Why not?

    Reply
  26. Vindexproeliator says:
    July 28, 2018 at 2:56 am

    America is full???? WTF!??? And where are Guatemala, El Salvador and Mexico??? Europe? Africa? Asia?

    Reply
  27. 飛シャークWolffgang says:
    July 28, 2018 at 2:59 am

    In regards to the Taiwan, Israel, Argentina remark. What he was referring to in Taiwan was KMT rule under CKS.

    Reply
  28. Green Peace says:
    July 28, 2018 at 8:06 am

    US wants to bomb Venezuela, supports extreme right wing dictatorships and train and finance those anti-government oppositions in every country in South America to cause chaos and fears. If US doesn’t want ppl who are fleeing from the US failed policies entering the US to save their own lives, then stop causing the troubles to begin with.

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  29. Rene Spajic says:
    July 28, 2018 at 9:18 am

    when or where in the world has it been a policy to allow adults who are taken into custody for breaking the law to have their children stay with them?

    Reply
  30. Stacy Hackney says:
    July 28, 2018 at 10:04 am

    If this is true, it breaks my heart. Why is my species like this.

    Reply
  31. Deep Thought says:
    July 28, 2018 at 11:07 am

    The U.S. has been meddling in South American policy for a decades mr Chomsky highlights this,as well as U.S. interference around the globe.Another great piece from the world renowned professor.

    Reply
  32. John Waller says:
    July 28, 2018 at 12:33 pm

    Damn it! Missed him by 4 years.
    Much welcome to our newest Wildcat.

    Reply
  33. Jesus Jimenez Hernandez says:
    July 28, 2018 at 3:21 pm

    I feel sorry to these children. My prayers go out to them. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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  34. ANDRE MARIANO says:
    July 28, 2018 at 3:31 pm

    TELL THEM

    Reply
  35. Kelpy says:
    July 28, 2018 at 3:48 pm

    thank you Amy Goodman, Democracy Now, and others, Noam Chomsky, for these broadcasts. So precious at this time!

    Reply
  36. Cockoff Gewgle says:
    July 28, 2018 at 7:50 pm

    Why do all news channels report on the exact same things?

    Reply
  37. Mm Mmm says:
    July 29, 2018 at 3:39 am

    Reagan was a terrorist. I spit on his grave.

    Reply
  38. Libertarian Prince says:
    July 29, 2018 at 4:28 am

    DemoCRIPS and ReBLOODlicans: No More Gangs in Government Paperback – May 28, 2013
    by Jesse Ventura (Author),‎ Dick Russell (Contributor)

    Reply
  39. United Natures Media says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:27 am

    The USA is the biggest consumer of resources and emitters of greenhouse gases per capita (Australia is on par too) so the more people that immigrate legally or illegally and become Americans the worse it is for the environment unfortunately.

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  40. Jacqueline Knauff says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:28 am

    More children than that if you count medical maijuana ptsd patients

    Reply
  41. Jacqueline Knauff says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:29 am

    There are soooo many more

    Reply
  42. Audio Pervert says:
    July 29, 2018 at 10:09 am

    Destroying bullshit with truth .. Chomsky Forever.

    Reply
  43. tehkoalainsurgency says:
    July 29, 2018 at 2:38 pm

    U.S. policy has been long gone in Latin American failed States. The Nicaraguan government for example is a socialist democrat gov't. There's nothing that suggests that gov't is a product of U.S. policy, unless you're saying it is the U.S. goal to turn these countries to socialism. You can't keep blaming the U.S. that narrative is simply non-sustainable.

    Reply
  44. Chris Peters says:
    July 29, 2018 at 4:29 pm

    We camt allow these Jews to subverted America

    Reply
  45. CAR EL says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:06 pm

    Thank you Democracy Now and Noam Chomsky for speaking the truth.

    Reply
  46. Acosta Nilsa says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:19 pm

    The USA is not full. We have lots of lands empty where can be build. Let this big stores open up.
    People can have jobs. Including agriculture. This is not only for immigrants. We have homeless American Families that can benefit to.

    Reply
  47. Keriks says:
    July 29, 2018 at 9:31 pm

    He is such a brain! I am learning so much from just listening him talk….

    Reply
  48. GreatWall OfMexico says:
    July 29, 2018 at 11:10 pm

    Scandal? How about we elevate it to the level of international crime where it belongs? So sick of mainstream.

    Reply
  49. 215Gallagher says:
    July 30, 2018 at 1:07 am

    Yes USA, you are learning how to deal with refugees in the only way possible, we in Australia have known this for years and hence we created the Woomera Detention Centre in outback South Australia, we converted the migrant settlement camp in Villawood Sydney, into a prison for "illegals, cue-jumpers and boat people", and in more recent times we erected tents in the humid hell holes of Manaus Island and Nauru, sent the women and children and the dying to Nauru and the men to Manus. We've given Cambodia, well Hun Sen, $50m to resettle the refugees and they took three only one of whom remains in Cambodia, and this poor bloke was told that if he went to Cambodia his wife and children would join him soon after his arrival. That was three years ago. So USA, you have nothing on us and our treatment of refugees.                                                                                          The future appears even bleaker under Obersturmbannführer Dutton who hides behind the veil of "national security" and refuses to engage with any real journalist in this country, only ever appearing on Sky News and shock jock radio. But you're catching up and when Dutton becomes PM he and Trump will be The Match made in Hell. Keep warm.

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  50. redrock1963 says:
    July 30, 2018 at 1:30 am

    Since Reagan was POTUS in the 1980's, America has become a disease that inflicts it's self on other countries for their natural or geopolitical wealth.

    Reply
  51. D Chapero says:
    July 30, 2018 at 2:27 pm

    It's absolutely unbelievable how strong the denial is in the US. Even in light of an abundance of evidence that shows the crimes we've committed, dating back a hundred years, people still refuse to acknowledge the fact that we are an evil empire. The belief that America is the light of the world and that our military is 'defending freedom' is still held true by most. They also seek to blame Trumpette for all that is wrong with our country. I frequently hear "I miss Obama…", or statements like that, and enlighten them on the facts… even still, the next day they are saying the same thing. America is the 1% of the world, doing the very things the 'middle class' complains about, all to continue our unsustainable way of life – through the mass murder of millions, the destruction of cultures, and the theft of resources that could increase the quality of life for others. What defines America? Chronic narcissism – seriously; we deny reality to make ourselves feel better about our place in the world. Grow up, people. Trump isn't the problem… he's a symptom of a growing intellectual laziness that cares more about grown men running around with a ball and garbage TV like Game of Thrones.

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  52. Sandy says:
    July 30, 2018 at 6:15 pm

    Thank you for bringing up Guatemala & other asylum seekers. Majority of Americans are in denial just like the Germans were.

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  53. Sunny Quackers says:
    July 30, 2018 at 6:18 pm

    How's the jetting around the world going noam to warn about greenhouse gasses?

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  54. Holly Maben says:
    July 30, 2018 at 7:47 pm

    Would you please ask Dr. Chomsky why separate but equal isn't accepted in the US for Black/African Americans or at least have protection rights to create separate communities without genocide or the threat of destruction? Peace.

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  55. Gandalf says:
    July 30, 2018 at 10:37 pm

    You want to end the horror stories?  REPEAL the National Security Act of 1947.

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  56. Chef-anie holtzzz says:
    July 31, 2018 at 1:17 am

    Geaux activist groups 🙂 AMERICA IS NOT FULL ! seriously, have you seen the size of our country ?

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  57. Artur Dent says:
    July 31, 2018 at 6:40 am

    I don't believe what an illegal says. Doubt anyone told the mother we're full

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  58. Artur Dent says:
    July 31, 2018 at 6:46 am

    Wow, stupid, saying Trump attacks these country's then won't let people in? This site is worse than cnn with its made up bullshit

    Reply
  59. lorem ipsum says:
    July 31, 2018 at 8:17 am

    As a black Hispanic, I should have voted for Trump.

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  60. ozwhistles says:
    July 31, 2018 at 9:30 am

    Fuck Amy Goodman And fuck Noam Chomsky. Neither of you have family.
    Sure you can bleat and moan about how your family was taken .. but it was.
    and you offer no way to prevent that happening to all of us.
    I would prefer to eliminate humanity as the Caliphate of extermination of the human dregs like you. But I know better. I will remain in the caliphate of life. Amy and Noam cannot know that. Maybe they can learn from Assad .. as a 101 primer .. until then? Fuck you Amy, and Noam .. you are too old to have any clue .. life need life .. not nearly-dead old remnants like you. It's like studying cheese. The topping you had best not have on your dinner if you want to live without liver damage?

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  61. Rich D says:
    July 31, 2018 at 5:45 pm

    Is this channel a joke? Or are you playing this, just to show everyone how foolish American looney leftists are? We the Patriotic People elected Trump to Build the Wall, Deport the All. So that's what's happening. We're gonna clean up our country, one way or another. Legally lawfully if possible. Other measures if necessary.

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  62. Rich D says:
    July 31, 2018 at 6:03 pm

    FYI, the illegals flooding our borders aren'tpoor, they pay up to $10,000 for illegal entry! They could easily wait & do it right. But the truth is they love their shithole country, they just want to come to work & send money home. They dont want to pledge allegiance to America, they hate us!
    illegal aliens are taking advantage of our kindness. We've had enough. No more entry, unless you're story is like this https://youtu.be/KMB4cV8JGss

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  63. jeff jones says:
    August 1, 2018 at 1:24 am

    Of course! It is all the Democrat's fault! LOL!!! People don't realize it too often, but Chompy is one of the rethuglican's best friends!!! Noam might not think so, but…

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  64. GOG and MAGOG says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:22 pm

    Trump didn't break the law. The illegal immigrants did.
    Trump didn't sign the bill into law. Bill Clinton did.
    Trump is trying to take our country back for us.
    Be grateful and show him some support.

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  65. GOG and MAGOG says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:26 pm

    Kinda makes that wall sound like a humane solution after all.
    Which is all Trump wanted in the first place.
    The family separation policy was a genius strategy.

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  66. GOG and MAGOG says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:35 pm

    The US did not create the world's poor and downtrodden.
    The poverty stricken increase their own number by 85 million a year.
    Maybe the Red Cross should air drop condoms into the jungles and barrios
    and war-torn ghettos. That's the most humane solution.

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  67. Sophia Shakti says:
    August 2, 2018 at 8:36 pm

    He was wrong on his language theory and he is wrong again. His analysis is demented. He thinks that he can mooch from the rich without real work, marxists analysis at its best. Strong borders make strong nations and strong countries.Yes, come legally. Stop criminal illegal immigration.

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  68. David Hill says:
    August 10, 2018 at 8:18 pm

    'Family Separation' OR Children RIPPED from their parents arms fail to take a closer look at this Fake News and Politically Correct narrative. Many of these children RIPPED from their parents loving arms are victims of human trafficking, unaccompanied children, child abuse by god knows who and put on trains to head North and left to fend for themselves. So the U.S. Government is forced to pair these children with 'Aunts, Uncles' and anyone can figure out the numerous dubious possibilities.

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  69. Analyzing Male Slavery says:
    August 14, 2018 at 4:23 pm

    What about the family court alienating fathers?

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  70. Stikibits says:
    August 20, 2018 at 6:02 am

    Separating children from their parents can be considered an act of genocide.

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  71. Mark Fischer says:
    September 19, 2018 at 6:20 pm

    Since we don't know if the adults accompanying children illegally across our southern border are their parents or are trafficking them to pedophiles among the Liberal criminals like Hollywood stars, political celebs like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, or just plain wealthy monsters, the best thing to do is to separate them and return them to the government of Mexico in Mexico City where they can be retrieved by their parents after they have proven themselves with a DNA test. If they are not their parents then the children will remain in protective custody by the Mexican government and the would be parents can be investigated to find out who they really are and why they wanted to pretend they are their parents. The penalty for trafficking human beings should be life in prison without parole or in the most egregious cases the death penalty.

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  72. JRK NY87 says:
    October 13, 2018 at 9:23 pm

    i disagtee with family sepration but what are we supposed to do just let every one in ? why cant we have merit based immigration like every other first world nation ?

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  73. Jason Dotson says:
    December 16, 2018 at 6:54 am

    His Venezueluan utopia's looking pretty desirable these days, no? 🙂

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  74. Perisemiotics says:
    December 25, 2018 at 4:42 am

    The US hasn't even seen any refugees from their latest, more remarkable wars in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc, etc, etc,……. given these were all essentially triggered by the American benevolence to instill democracy and freedom in the land that birthed civilization as we've known it thousands of years ago… the US ought to take a few million refugees from each of those countries in a very democratic way so they could be taught how to live free in a wealthy democratic society.

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  75. Victor Grauer says:
    January 4, 2019 at 4:33 pm

    OMG! Children have been routinely taken away from their parents in this, and most other countries, for a great many years. Whenever someone disobeys the law and as a result is incarcerated that person's children are taken away from them, and for a very good reason, since it's both illegal and immoral to incarcerate a child simply because his or her parent has committed a crime. Funny, but I don't recall Chomsky or any other liberal objecting to such a policy in the past. So it's OK to separate children of American citizens who've been incarcerated, but some sort of horrible crime to do so with children of illegal immigrants. What hypocrisy!

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  76. Linda Dunkerson says:
    January 10, 2019 at 9:40 pm

    Every since slavery this has happened in America. It has brought about the fall of family In America.

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  77. celldyn6969 says:
    January 17, 2019 at 2:07 am

    To paraphrase a great man Noam Chomsky is way overrated.

    Reply
  78. Abouttime K says:
    January 20, 2019 at 11:06 pm

    https://youtu.be/Tc5RLIcG2Ig

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