AMY GOODMAN: This is Democracy Now!, democracynow.org,
The War and Peace Report. I’m Amy Goodman. Federal officials say 711 children remain
separated from their parents, despite Thursday’s court-imposed deadline for the Trump administration
to reunite all migrate children separated from their parents by immigration officials
at the border. More than 400 of the children have parents
who have already been deported from the United States. Well, on Thursday, I spoke with world-renowned
political dissident, author and linguist Noam Chomsky. He is a laureate professor in the Department
of Linguistics at the University of Arizona and professor emeritus at Massachusetts Institute
of Technology, where he taught for more than 50 years. His recent books include Global Discontents:
Conversations on the Rising Threats to Democracy and Requiem for the American Dream: The 10
Principles of Concentration of Wealth & Power. He joined us from Tucson, Arizona, and I began
by asking Noam Chomsky about the Trump administration’s family separation policy. NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, it’s a major scandal,
of course, and properly condemned throughout the world. Taking children away from their parents, sending
them off somewhere, losing track of them, you know, it’s hard to think of a more brutal
and sadistic policy. Here in Tucson, there’s a lot of—there’s
a good deal of activism concerned with immigrants. There are groups that set up camps in the
desert to try to help people fleeing. And, of course, it’s a very live issue. It’s not very far from the border. In fact, when I give talks here, I often refer
to the area as “occupied Mexico,” which actually is a good designation. But the immigration policy altogether is a
grotesque moral scandal here, and in Europe, I should say. AMY GOODMAN: I want to turn to President Trump
speaking earlier this month. PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Well, I have a solution:
Tell people not to come to our country illegally. That’s the solution. Don’t come to our country illegally. Come like other people do. Come legally. AMY GOODMAN: That’s President Trump. We were on the border recently in Brownsville,
going back and forth over the bridge to Matamoros, Mexico. We saw a Guatemalan mother with her child,
a Guatemalan father with his child. The Guatemalan mother had been at the legal
port of entry at the bridge for days, on two different bridges, told that America is full,
told this by the U.S. government. The question is: Who’s being legal? Who’s being illegal? What about what the U.S. is doing and where
these migrants are desperately fleeing from—Guatemala, Honduras, El Salvador? If you can talk about the history of U.S.
involvement in these countries and what President Trump is saying—do it legally? NOAM CHOMSKY: Well, actually, these people
are fleeing from the wreckage and horrors of U.S. policies. So, take Guatemala. No need to go through the whole history, but
back in 1954, the U.S. intervened, sponsored a military coup, overthrew a mildly reformist
elected government. Since then, the country has been a complete
horror story—hundreds of thousands of people killed, all kinds of atrocities, every imaginable
sort of torture. It peaked in the 1980s under Reagan. In fact, some of the places where people are
fleeing from, the Mayan areas, there was literal genocide going on, carried out by the man
who Reagan called a stellar exponent of democracy, a really good guy. When Congress imposed some limits on direct
U.S. military aid to this—to Ríos Montt, the person who was—general who was implementing
the genocidal attacks, Reagan set up an international terrorist network. The U.S. does not hire terrorists, it hires
terror states—it’s much more effective—so, Taiwan, Israel, Argentina—as long as it
was under the rule of the neo-Nazi generals. Unfortunately, they were overthrown. They had the good news, Argentina. The people are still fleeing from the destruction
there. It’s been a horror story ever since. Same with El Salvador, where about 70,000
people were killed during the 1980s, almost all by the security forces, armed, trained,
directed by the United States. Again, horror story since. In Honduras, which not long ago had the plurality
of refugees, the refugee flow started to peak after a military coup threw out the elected
government, the Zelaya government, condemned by the entire hemisphere and the world, with
the usual exception of President Obama. Hillary Clinton refused to call it a military
coup, because that would have meant terminating military aid to the junta, which the U.S.
continued to do. There had always been a severe repression
and atrocities. They mounted sharply. Honduras became maybe the homicide capital
of the world, and refugees started fleeing. There were so-called elections, which were
mocked by almost everyone except the United States. It continues. You’ll notice there’s one—there’s
two countries in the region from which there haven’t been refugee flows. One is Costa Rica, which happens to be the
one country that sort of functions, and not by accident, the one country that the United
States has not—in which the United States does not intervene militarily to overthrow
the government and run a military regime. The other is Nicaragua, which differed, which
also suffered severely in the 1980s from Reagan’s assaults. But Nicaragua was unlike the other countries
of the region: It had an army to defend it. In the other countries, the army were the
terrorists. In Nicaragua, the army could, to some extent,
defend the population from Reagan’s terrorist forces. And though there’s plenty of problems in
Nicaragua, it hasn’t been the source of refugee flow. So, essentially, what President Trump is saying
is, we’ll destroy your countries, slaughter you, impose brutal regimes, but if you try
to get out, you’re not going to come here, because America is full.
Gmornng folks.
Gmornng Emmy GOODMAN:democracy NOW, I stand for all,equal rights FOR all.
Tell to people not to come to our country, this is the executive leader's, speech, coming from his HEART "??
I've seen more life in a funeral parlour.
Yes, yes, yes, Mr. Nome Chimpsky, we already know.
Modern America is much like Nazi Germany. If it ain't like Nazi Germany, then it ain't Bad Enough for you leave it….permanently.
My man ✊
NAOM!!! Excellent interview
Chomsky has been telling it straight for many decades. Long may he continue.
Chomsky always blames the US/west for every problem in the world. I dont find his views particularly balanced or honest.
More than half of all illegals are from Mexico, a stable Latin American country, I dont see how the US is responsible for them.
Mexico is occupied mesoamerica, occupied by Spaniard hybrids STFU ok we don't call the midwest or quebec occupied france, you horror story
4:44 Neo-nazis hired Israel?
In the US the border crossers are Honduran, Costa Rican, Mexican, El Salvadoran, etc…In ancient Rome it was the Visigoths, the Ostrogoths, the Alamanni, the Burgundians, the Franks and the Vandals. In winter 406 CE the Rhine froze over and the border was melted and flooded. 4 years later the Visigoths sacked Rome. Then came the Vandals who sacked Rome. Then the Ostrogoths deposed the last emperor in the west and Rome became a fading memory. Demographic shifts are like glaciers. We cannot see the changes on a day-to-day basis, but over time, they wear down mountains.
Great interview, very informative, yeah real news, …
He is one of the greatest of course, … yep!
Give this guy a nobel prize already
Unite them all in Mexico – deport them all.
So happy to see Noam .Thanks guys 🙂
Noam Chomsky: "Negative, negative, clam verbal attack, personal attack, name drop of republican <fill in name here>… What a pos.
Latin America is ruled by an oligarchy that resists all change. The rich are exquisitely idle and sophisticated and the masses can barely get by.
They probably are blackmarketing the children worldwide to pedo groups of the terrible followers of the talmud
Follow the rules and your family will stay together.
Do what others tell you and suffer the consequences for lack of personal responsibility.
Simple.
"Occupied Mexico", lmfao. Love it. You should see the look on Trump supporter's faces whenever you mention that Arizona, Texas, California, Utah, Nevada, and New Mexico used to belong to Mexico, and how we basically stole it from them.
2:43 "America is full".
Yeah. Full of shît. Just like Trump.
Trump is absolutely disgusting. He wouldn’t understand desperation if it punched him in the face. I hope he gets to experience it before his time on earth ends.
Noam Chomsky..brilliant! So much in SO lil' word's
CIA drug cartels is the problem
Coming to the US without papers should be like risking a parking ticket. Why not?
America is full???? WTF!??? And where are Guatemala, El Salvador and Mexico??? Europe? Africa? Asia?
In regards to the Taiwan, Israel, Argentina remark. What he was referring to in Taiwan was KMT rule under CKS.
US wants to bomb Venezuela, supports extreme right wing dictatorships and train and finance those anti-government oppositions in every country in South America to cause chaos and fears. If US doesn’t want ppl who are fleeing from the US failed policies entering the US to save their own lives, then stop causing the troubles to begin with.
when or where in the world has it been a policy to allow adults who are taken into custody for breaking the law to have their children stay with them?
If this is true, it breaks my heart. Why is my species like this.
The U.S. has been meddling in South American policy for a decades mr Chomsky highlights this,as well as U.S. interference around the globe.Another great piece from the world renowned professor.
Damn it! Missed him by 4 years.
Much welcome to our newest Wildcat.
I feel sorry to these children. My prayers go out to them. ???????????????????????????
TELL THEM
thank you Amy Goodman, Democracy Now, and others, Noam Chomsky, for these broadcasts. So precious at this time!
Why do all news channels report on the exact same things?
Reagan was a terrorist. I spit on his grave.
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The USA is the biggest consumer of resources and emitters of greenhouse gases per capita (Australia is on par too) so the more people that immigrate legally or illegally and become Americans the worse it is for the environment unfortunately.
More children than that if you count medical maijuana ptsd patients
There are soooo many more
Destroying bullshit with truth .. Chomsky Forever.
U.S. policy has been long gone in Latin American failed States. The Nicaraguan government for example is a socialist democrat gov't. There's nothing that suggests that gov't is a product of U.S. policy, unless you're saying it is the U.S. goal to turn these countries to socialism. You can't keep blaming the U.S. that narrative is simply non-sustainable.
We camt allow these Jews to subverted America
Thank you Democracy Now and Noam Chomsky for speaking the truth.
The USA is not full. We have lots of lands empty where can be build. Let this big stores open up.
People can have jobs. Including agriculture. This is not only for immigrants. We have homeless American Families that can benefit to.
He is such a brain! I am learning so much from just listening him talk….
Scandal? How about we elevate it to the level of international crime where it belongs? So sick of mainstream.
Yes USA, you are learning how to deal with refugees in the only way possible, we in Australia have known this for years and hence we created the Woomera Detention Centre in outback South Australia, we converted the migrant settlement camp in Villawood Sydney, into a prison for "illegals, cue-jumpers and boat people", and in more recent times we erected tents in the humid hell holes of Manaus Island and Nauru, sent the women and children and the dying to Nauru and the men to Manus. We've given Cambodia, well Hun Sen, $50m to resettle the refugees and they took three only one of whom remains in Cambodia, and this poor bloke was told that if he went to Cambodia his wife and children would join him soon after his arrival. That was three years ago. So USA, you have nothing on us and our treatment of refugees. The future appears even bleaker under Obersturmbannführer Dutton who hides behind the veil of "national security" and refuses to engage with any real journalist in this country, only ever appearing on Sky News and shock jock radio. But you're catching up and when Dutton becomes PM he and Trump will be The Match made in Hell. Keep warm.
Since Reagan was POTUS in the 1980's, America has become a disease that inflicts it's self on other countries for their natural or geopolitical wealth.
It's absolutely unbelievable how strong the denial is in the US. Even in light of an abundance of evidence that shows the crimes we've committed, dating back a hundred years, people still refuse to acknowledge the fact that we are an evil empire. The belief that America is the light of the world and that our military is 'defending freedom' is still held true by most. They also seek to blame Trumpette for all that is wrong with our country. I frequently hear "I miss Obama…", or statements like that, and enlighten them on the facts… even still, the next day they are saying the same thing. America is the 1% of the world, doing the very things the 'middle class' complains about, all to continue our unsustainable way of life – through the mass murder of millions, the destruction of cultures, and the theft of resources that could increase the quality of life for others. What defines America? Chronic narcissism – seriously; we deny reality to make ourselves feel better about our place in the world. Grow up, people. Trump isn't the problem… he's a symptom of a growing intellectual laziness that cares more about grown men running around with a ball and garbage TV like Game of Thrones.
Thank you for bringing up Guatemala & other asylum seekers. Majority of Americans are in denial just like the Germans were.
How's the jetting around the world going noam to warn about greenhouse gasses?
Would you please ask Dr. Chomsky why separate but equal isn't accepted in the US for Black/African Americans or at least have protection rights to create separate communities without genocide or the threat of destruction? Peace.
You want to end the horror stories? REPEAL the National Security Act of 1947.
Geaux activist groups 🙂 AMERICA IS NOT FULL ! seriously, have you seen the size of our country ?
I don't believe what an illegal says. Doubt anyone told the mother we're full
Wow, stupid, saying Trump attacks these country's then won't let people in? This site is worse than cnn with its made up bullshit
As a black Hispanic, I should have voted for Trump.
Fuck Amy Goodman And fuck Noam Chomsky. Neither of you have family.
Sure you can bleat and moan about how your family was taken .. but it was.
and you offer no way to prevent that happening to all of us.
I would prefer to eliminate humanity as the Caliphate of extermination of the human dregs like you. But I know better. I will remain in the caliphate of life. Amy and Noam cannot know that. Maybe they can learn from Assad .. as a 101 primer .. until then? Fuck you Amy, and Noam .. you are too old to have any clue .. life need life .. not nearly-dead old remnants like you. It's like studying cheese. The topping you had best not have on your dinner if you want to live without liver damage?
Is this channel a joke? Or are you playing this, just to show everyone how foolish American looney leftists are? We the Patriotic People elected Trump to Build the Wall, Deport the All. So that's what's happening. We're gonna clean up our country, one way or another. Legally lawfully if possible. Other measures if necessary.
FYI, the illegals flooding our borders aren'tpoor, they pay up to $10,000 for illegal entry! They could easily wait & do it right. But the truth is they love their shithole country, they just want to come to work & send money home. They dont want to pledge allegiance to America, they hate us!
illegal aliens are taking advantage of our kindness. We've had enough. No more entry, unless you're story is like this https://youtu.be/KMB4cV8JGss
Of course! It is all the Democrat's fault! LOL!!! People don't realize it too often, but Chompy is one of the rethuglican's best friends!!! Noam might not think so, but…
Trump didn't break the law. The illegal immigrants did.
Trump didn't sign the bill into law. Bill Clinton did.
Trump is trying to take our country back for us.
Be grateful and show him some support.
Kinda makes that wall sound like a humane solution after all.
Which is all Trump wanted in the first place.
The family separation policy was a genius strategy.
The US did not create the world's poor and downtrodden.
The poverty stricken increase their own number by 85 million a year.
Maybe the Red Cross should air drop condoms into the jungles and barrios
and war-torn ghettos. That's the most humane solution.
He was wrong on his language theory and he is wrong again. His analysis is demented. He thinks that he can mooch from the rich without real work, marxists analysis at its best. Strong borders make strong nations and strong countries.Yes, come legally. Stop criminal illegal immigration.
'Family Separation' OR Children RIPPED from their parents arms fail to take a closer look at this Fake News and Politically Correct narrative. Many of these children RIPPED from their parents loving arms are victims of human trafficking, unaccompanied children, child abuse by god knows who and put on trains to head North and left to fend for themselves. So the U.S. Government is forced to pair these children with 'Aunts, Uncles' and anyone can figure out the numerous dubious possibilities.
What about the family court alienating fathers?
Separating children from their parents can be considered an act of genocide.
Since we don't know if the adults accompanying children illegally across our southern border are their parents or are trafficking them to pedophiles among the Liberal criminals like Hollywood stars, political celebs like Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden, or just plain wealthy monsters, the best thing to do is to separate them and return them to the government of Mexico in Mexico City where they can be retrieved by their parents after they have proven themselves with a DNA test. If they are not their parents then the children will remain in protective custody by the Mexican government and the would be parents can be investigated to find out who they really are and why they wanted to pretend they are their parents. The penalty for trafficking human beings should be life in prison without parole or in the most egregious cases the death penalty.
i disagtee with family sepration but what are we supposed to do just let every one in ? why cant we have merit based immigration like every other first world nation ?
His Venezueluan utopia's looking pretty desirable these days, no? 🙂
The US hasn't even seen any refugees from their latest, more remarkable wars in Libya, Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc, etc, etc,……. given these were all essentially triggered by the American benevolence to instill democracy and freedom in the land that birthed civilization as we've known it thousands of years ago… the US ought to take a few million refugees from each of those countries in a very democratic way so they could be taught how to live free in a wealthy democratic society.
OMG! Children have been routinely taken away from their parents in this, and most other countries, for a great many years. Whenever someone disobeys the law and as a result is incarcerated that person's children are taken away from them, and for a very good reason, since it's both illegal and immoral to incarcerate a child simply because his or her parent has committed a crime. Funny, but I don't recall Chomsky or any other liberal objecting to such a policy in the past. So it's OK to separate children of American citizens who've been incarcerated, but some sort of horrible crime to do so with children of illegal immigrants. What hypocrisy!
Every since slavery this has happened in America. It has brought about the fall of family In America.
To paraphrase a great man Noam Chomsky is way overrated.
https://youtu.be/Tc5RLIcG2Ig